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On the future of the Ecumenical Patriarchate

The Ecumenical centre of Orthodoxy is where truth is, not in a city, and as regards political power, the Orthodox centre is where the most powerful Orthodox people is, i.e. in Russia.

If Russia comes to the point of forgetting her Byzantine origins, what Patriarchate in what Constantinople will be able to remind her of those origins? If Russia does not come to that point, then the Ecumenical Patriarchate, wherever its Seat might be, can become our spiritual centre to the degree that it participates in truth. If the Patriarchate cannot become our political centre in any case, then why all this persistence in staying at Constantinople?


  1. Vasiliki, Melbourne Australia

    The problem with modern man is that he spends much time discussing … why don’t we just allow things to naturally fall in place … oh, and the reading of OT and NT helps …it helps to see our own history even that which has not occured – yet!

    All that is prophecied is prophecied because God knows what OUR choices will be … He knows before we make them, what political decisions we make that affect His Church … it is not so much what He does or doesn’t want, it’s more about how far He lets us continue with our own arrogance.

    At the end of the day … the decisions will end up being anthropocentric … we have a massive veil over our eyes these days … we fight over political nonsense … The US may have a lot of knowledge, hence why many of them think they are the centre of Orthodoxy, but they also have a lot of arrogance when they refuse to adopt the historical trail of the Church, the close connection to its Greek-Byzantine roots ….

    Pick up the New Testament and read Apostle Paul’s epistle to the Thessalonians … Only within a few sentences do you realise what LOVE this Apostle has for the faith of the church in Thessaloniki … and if Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit .. then we should trust that the Holy Spirit has that affection and that love for the Greek nation, and the protection and service it has given to the Church for thousands of years …

    If Russia is capable of offering the same protection and love to the Body of the Church, then God will decide that through His Holy Spirit who will comfort the church and guide her… However, what if Russia is only wanting to be the spiritual leader because of political and strategic arrogance and interest? Same with the US …

    I say, the Powers that Be will make all these decisions anyway … The problem is .. it is the PEOPLE that used to make the shots in the past!

  2. Seldinis Peatrion

    I believe that the Ecumenical Patriarch should move to Thessaloniki, Greece. There is a historical reason for this decision. Thessaloniki was the co-capital of the Byzantine Empire while Constantinople was the official capital; therefore the Ecumenical Patriarch would simply be moving from one historically important Byzantine city to another thereby maintaining some historic continuity.

    But setting historic continuity aside, the Ecumenical Patriarch cannot remain in a city where the followers are dwindling in numbers and the government is indifferent and even hostile. The Turkish government periodically bans the Islamic party whenever it feels threatened by it, so why would they allow the Ecumenical Patriarch to flourish when they don’t even let the predominant religion of Islam any opportunity to grow?

    And even if Turkey joins the European Union or somehow becomes more enlightened towards its religious minorities without joining the European Union, it is doubtful that the Turkish government will allow any of these religious minorities, including the Ecumenical Patriarch, any opportunities to grow and prosper. Perhaps some oppression may cease on the surface but the oppression will quickly become more covert, which means it may even become more powerful. Any “religious liberation” in Turkey will be geared toward the Islamic masses not the Christian minorities.

    Should the Ecumenical Patriarch move to Thessaloniki, Greece, the Ecumencial Patriarch will be among the faithful in a nurturing environment. The Ecumenical Patriarch will be allowed to grow and funds (essential to any entity, even a spiritual one) will become more plentiful. A new, beautiful church could be built to accomodate the Ecumenical Patriarch and some of the historic architectural features of the historic Constantinople church could be relocated to this new church. The autocephalous Church of Greece could reunite with the Ecumenical Patriarch and the Ecumenical Patriarch would be free to pursue stronger relationships with the other autocephalous Orthodox churches (e.g., Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania, even Russia).

    The spirituality of the Ecumenical Patriarch would only be enhanced because spirituality grows when there are more faithful followers. After all, the greatest strength of any religion lies not in its historic buildings but in its faithful communities. Why should the Ecumenical Patriarch be a historical religious minority institution in an indifferent nation when the Ecumenical Patriarch can be the flagstone religious institution in a supportive nation? The Ecumenical Patriarch is referred to as the Mother Church of Orthodoxy. Why not place our venerable Mother in an environment where She will be honored by her children?