{"id":1196,"date":"2017-11-02T21:31:02","date_gmt":"2017-11-02T18:31:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.ellopos.com\/blog\/?p=1196"},"modified":"2020-10-07T12:02:35","modified_gmt":"2020-10-07T09:02:35","slug":"is-the-god-of-the-old-testament-barbaric","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ellopos.com\/blog\/1196\/is-the-god-of-the-old-testament-barbaric\/","title":{"rendered":"Is the God of the Old Testament Barbaric?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A visitor of these pages asks:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The Old Testament, though, often presents God as a warrior &#8212; someone rather tribal, &#8220;wild&#8221;, &amp; judgmental, quick to kill or disown for transgressions, apparently sanctioning revenge, even ordering what looks to be exterminations during war&#8230; Mystery I know to accept, but I don&#8217;t know how to deal with apparent contradiction&#8230; I looked for a book addressing the subject, perhaps titled something like &#8220;How to Read &amp; Understand the Old Testament&#8221;, but have not been able to find one. Thanks for any suggestions or guidance.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Dear Jack, I respect very much your own good will, but answering to you I will have in mind mainly some other people, that try to diminish the value of the Old Testament without reason. The question if the God &#8216;of the Old Testament&#8217; is barbaric, is a wrong question, unless we cut and stitch <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ellopos.net\/elpenor\/greek-texts\/new-testament\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">the New Testament<\/a> in measures that do not exist in herself. Why the God &#8216;of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ellopos.net\/elpenor\/greek-texts\/septuagint\/default.asp\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">the Old Testament<\/a>&#8216; is savage and brutal &#8211; but not the God &#8216;of the New Testament&#8217;, who sends one Plague after another, turns water into blood, and places the large number of all population to the eternal Hell?<\/p>\n<p>The question is wrong, but not devoid of any basis, since in the New Testament there exists the person of Christ, who is Himself the New Testament. We would ask a little better, not opposing the two epochs of the Bible, the Old and the New Testament, but the persons of the Trinity: <em>Is the Father &#8216;barbaric&#8217; contrary to the Son and the Holy Spirit?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.elpenor.org\/books\/septuagint-psalms\/default-en.asp\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.elpenor.org\/books\/septuagint-psalms\/psalms-3dcover.jpg\" style=\"border:none;\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<br \/>\nTo the same shift of the question we come from other ways too. Why should we remain to comparisons of the New and the Old Testament, when even after Christ death, suffering, pain, injustice still exist in the world &#8211; all those that Christ himself suffered?<\/p>\n<p>Yet, Christ is not only a God who does not punish, kill, etc., He is also a God who left Himself to suffer all of them, knowing also that his closest friends will suffer the same &#8211; and does not prevent them either for Himself or for his closest Disciples: He allows all this Evil, even if He is not its source. Why?<\/p>\n<p>In fact the supposed opposition between Christ and the God &#8216;of the Old Testament&#8217;, is just a disguise of the problem of <strong>Theodicy<\/strong>: <em>If God is good, why all this evil and injustice? <\/em>Whether we describe the question as a contrast between Christ and His Father, or as an internal contradiction in the Deity, its essence remains unchanged.<\/p>\n<p>I highlight these dimensions, because behind the inaccurate accusation of the &#8216;barbarity&#8217; of the Old Testament, usually it is concealed a trend to <em>deny<\/em> the Old Testament, and even sometimes a racist, anti-jewish, motivation &#8211; when Christ Himself, Whom they admire, not only did not deny the Old Testament, but also approved it <em>to the last letter and accent<\/em>. Why was He not the first to abandon the &#8216;bloodthirsty&#8217; God of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ellopos.net\/elpenor\/greek-texts\/septuagint\/default.asp\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">the Old Testament<\/a>?<\/p>\n<p>Therefore, let us leave the supposed opposition of the New to the Old Testament, and open up one more time, that will be neither the first nor the last, a real problem, the problem of Theodicy. We know that it will not be the last time, because the problem has been opened many times before, it was answered as well as it can be answered, and <em>very well,<\/em> I would add, yet it keeps recurring.<\/p>\n<p>If you are in search of some books that explore the alleged Testaments-conflict, perhaps you&#8217;d like to try <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0310245680?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=e0bf-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0310245680\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Show Them No Mercy: 4 Views on God and Canaanite Genocide<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0800663446?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=e0bf-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0800663446\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Disturbing Divine Behavior: Troubling Old Testament Images of God<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1893729079?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=e0bf-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1893729079\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Who&#8217;s Afraid of the Old Testament God?<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A visitor of these pages asks: The Old Testament, though, often presents God as a warrior &#8212; someone rather tribal, &#8220;wild&#8221;, &amp; judgmental, quick to kill or disown for transgressions, apparently sanctioning revenge, even ordering what looks to be exterminations during war&#8230; Mystery I know to accept, but I don&#8217;t know how to deal with [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":"","_disable_autopaging":false},"categories":[6702,10,46],"tags":[332,166,303,94,100,3137,21],"class_list":["post-1196","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-thechrist","category-orthodox-christianity","category-philosophy","tag-bible","tag-christianity","tag-evil","tag-new-testament","tag-old-testament","tag-revenge","tag-theodicy"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.ellopos.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1196","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.ellopos.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.ellopos.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.ellopos.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.ellopos.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1196"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.ellopos.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1196\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.ellopos.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1196"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.ellopos.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1196"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.ellopos.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1196"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}